In this episode, Nashwa sits down with Vicky Osterweil, the author of In Defense of Looting. Nashwa interviews Vicky about her entry into left politics, her newest book, the politics of looting while also exploring the limits of electoral politics, and so much more. Nashwa and Vicky cover a range of topics including the history of looting, and whiteness as property. They also dive into liberation movements, armed self-defence, Black radical tradition, and the micro-moments in uprisings/riots. In our small worlds we can do the things that the government will not and Osterweil reminds us of the openness we should have to multiple tactics. Osterweil articulates the potential we have to build power in the streets while mapping a history of eviction defence, debt abolition, and a broader set of tactics deployed in tandem with looting. Osterweil’s smart and poignant insights into the contradictions of liberalism offer listeners a foundation to desire more.